
The Emerging Church by Dan Kimball |
Building Bridges: A short interview with Dan Kimball
by Charlie Wear
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Dan Kimball was born and raised
in New Jersey, and got his BS in Landscape Architecture from
Colorado State University. Dan was a drummer in a
rockabilly/punk band for many years and lived in London, England
for a year playing in the band. After the band ended, Dan went
to Israel and lived there for several months in Israel studying
the Bible on his own to see whether Christianity was a valid
faith, or simply the religion of American suburbia. Mainly all
of his closest friends were not Christians, so he desired to be
able to intelligently explain and know why Christianity was a
faith which made sense. After Israel, he moved to Santa Cruz
where he began attending Santa Cruz Bible Church and got very
involved in various ministries at the church. Because he felt he
wanted to dedicate all his time to serving in the church, he
went to Multnomah Biblical Seminary in Portland, Oregon and
graduated with a Graduate Certificate in Bible. (He eventually
got his Masters degree from Western Seminary as well.)
Upon returning to Santa Cruz in 1989 after graduating from
Multnomah Seminary, he became high school pastor at Santa Cruz
Bible Church working with teenagers. He and Josh Fox along with
a team developed a high school ministry which eventually was
weekly attended by 250-300 Santa Cruz high schoolers, and had
over 150 high school students also attending additional weekly
Bible studies in homes.
After 8 years serving as high school pastor, Dan felt the need
for a worship gathering that reflected more of the values of the
emerging culture and heart of emerging generations. So, they
started the Sunday night "Graceland"
worship services and ministry at Santa Cruz Bible Church in the
Fall of 1996. Graceland initially started as a college ministry,
but because it connected with a broader age range became worship
services for all ages a year later in the Fall of 1997. Dan was
the "Pastor of Graceland" until recently where he has
transitioned his role to "Pastor of Leadership Development" for
all of Santa Cruz Bible Church. He still speaks at regularly at
the Graceland worship services, but now serves in a broader
all-church role and will continue this until the new church
starts.
Dan is the author of the book "The
Emerging Church: Vintage Christianity for New Generations"
(Zondervan) which features commentary by Rick Warren, Brian
McLaren, Howard Hendricks, Sally Morgenthaler, Chip Ingram and
Mark Oestreicher. Dan is now working on his second book which
will address the misconceptions people have about Christianity.
Dan is also involved in some national ministries which are
rethinking church for the emerging culture (see
Emergent
and the
Emergent Convention).
Dan has been married to Becky since 1990 and loves rockabilly
music, comic art and drives a 1966 Mustang. He seems to have
some sort of obsession with bowling...
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1. Dan, I recently finished reading Emerging Church, what
audience were you trying to reach with the book? |

Dan Kimball |
I was trying to be a bridge builder
and write to both modern-thinking church leaders and emerging
church leaders. That is why both Brian McLaren and Rick Warren
wrote forewords and commentary throughout the book. I also had
people like Sally Morgenthaler, Howard Hendricks, Mark
Oestreicher from Youth Specialties add their insight throughout
the book so it reflects many voices.
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I tried to move past deconstruction
and begin giving some examples and ways many emerging churches
are changing the way they think about and practice leadership,
preaching, multi-sensory worship, etc.
So, my hope is that someone who
is a Rick Warren purpose-driven thinking person can begin
reading why change is needed in the seeker-sensitive type of a
church today and not be offended or freak out. I think I made a
case for why change is needed and tried to give insight into the
culture and emerging generations and who they are.
The book is also for those in the emerging church who are
looking to be able to have some clarity to their feelings and be
able to explain why they sense change is needed. And for them to
also have practical examples of how emerging churches are
changing the way they design worship gatherings, preach,
evangelism etc.
I tried to move into some actual
reconstruction of ways to be in ministry in this post-Christian
time period we are moving into so it isn't just theory or
discussion about what is wrong
with the current state of the church. I tried to begin
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2. As a pastor, and now a church planter, are you encouraged or
discouraged with the "church's" response to the cultural shifts
we have experienced? |
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I am both encouraged and
discouraged. Starting
with the encouragement, it is absolutely thrilling to see how
God is moving among emerging leaders to rethink what "church"
is. I see a lot of community being formed among emerging
leaders, and a lot of healthy and much needed discussion. This
is so refreshing as it helps leaders not feel alone and not feel
crazy. To see new communities of faith being birthed is also
extremely encouraging, especially as the focus of these churches
is not just on getting big or designing the bigger and better
worship services but on being missional, building true community
and being Kingdom-minded.
I see the call to be missional as
a common link among emerging churches. It is also encouraging to
see non-canned or prepackaged creativity being fleshed out again
in these new worship communities expression of worship.
At the same time, I am
discouraged by the very sad stories I have heard about some
churches who are not only dismissing that anything is happening
in our culture, but even resisting and fighting it.
In many modern-thinking churches
someone on their staff begins to sense change is needed and
begins to rethink things some start new worship gatherings in
their churches or alter their current ministries. However, when
they do, many times what happens is senior pastors and other
staff who don't feel change is needed begin to feel threatened
or bothered by new forms of worship, spiritual formation,
evangelism etc. that doesn't
fit in their current systems and isn't matching what they
already are doing. Then
sadly, control and power are wielded and the ones who are
rethinking church become the bad guys. Many have to leave their
churches as a result.
Now there are some good signs of
hope too. I am meeting with a staff of a very modern church next
week who have read the book and want to discuss what they can
do. The senior pastor there recognizes something is needed, and
isn't just brushing off postmodernism as a fad or trend but a
reality they need to
rethink and redesign their
categories and
approach to what they are doing.
So, there is some encouraging things going on in some churches
too when the senior leaders aren't afraid of the discussion
or dismiss it. |
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3. If there were one point
you would like to make with "Emerging Church" what would it be? |
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For one, the emerging church is not
about a new model or simply lighting some candles and playing
Matt Redman songs. It is about hundreds and thousands of various
models and rethinking of all we do, especially rethinking what
the "church" is. How we view what "church" is determines what we
do in our worship gatherings, how we evangelize, how we view
success etc. A major
point I would like people to know if they don't already,
is that while many of us have been busy in our churches
preparing sermons, designing worship services, and 4-point
sermons to modern thinking people a new world is being birthed
all around us. And the people of this post-Christian world are
not coming into most of our churches. Maybe the modern-thinking
ones and the younger people who grew up in a church are
visiting, but not the post-Christian, post-seeker generations
who didn't grow up in church.
I also think that a major point
in all this is that there are wonderful modern churches which
are packed with people, and God is using them tremendously. But
there is a need for new types of churches too. Don't be afraid
or threatened about that.
There are emerging generations
who are not part of these modern churches and they are the ones
we must be rethinking the culture and what the role of the
church is in a missional way. Different types of churches are
needed for various people groups who will think and form
ministry much different than another. This doesn't mean one type
of church is right and the other wrong, or even one outdated and
the other isn't. Its about being missional in a multi-cultured
America and a multi-world view America. |
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Charlie Wear
is the publisher of Next-Wave. Charlie is a
lawyer
living with his wife Loretta and son, Benjamin, in Southern
California. |
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