Deception of the
"X-treme" Church...[read the
article]
These are the most intelligent, insightful thoughts on modern religious
practice that I have encountered. The difference between
"entertainment" and "engagement" makes a paradigm
shift.
Jay Sowell
Churches that Heal
[read the article]
Very good article! Right on the money. Need more like it --- addressed to
pastors about how to pastor better. Thanks!
Dan Owen, Grace United Methodist Church
Next Reformation
[read the article]
Very good article. Hear are some
immediate thoughts. Perhaps they may even be coming from my own
"leadership paradigm." I liked what you said about restructuring
the way we do church. I'm not sure what a service should look like. I
don't even think that is the right question. I have often wondered why it
was not laid out more closely in the scriptures. I appreciate your insight
from Corinthians, nevertheless, they became somewhat problematic in there
services, hence the letter to Corinthians. I have often thought that the
Holy Spirit left the order of service out of the Bible in order for
variety throughout the world and culture to mix with how we do church. If
"leadership" always gave way to the spontaneous then it would be
difficult to lead. Paul obviously did not give the very important role of
teaching doctrine to spontaneous dancers. Though had he been free to take
brakes he would avoided people falling asleep in his meetings and falling
out of windows. I will be the first to step up and say we need more
participation. I've spent my last 21 years around Pentecostal/Charismatics.
Somewhere in their minds they've gotten the idea that if it is spontaneous
then it must be the Holy Spirit. This has made me wonder why they couldn't
hear from the Holy Spirit earlier and perhaps feel his presence while they
are preparing. If Biblical leadership is to lead they must create a
context in which leadership can happen. Hence the sermon. The larger our
events the more need for order. God is for order. This brings up my final
two thoughts for the moment. It comes out of our paradigm of "event
Christianity." Sunday morning is our big event. Hear is where I would
agree that far to many resources go into making this an event that
competes with our high end entertainment society. Just have a look at our
own ministry center at KCC and you can see what I mean. The entire machine
structures itself for this huge weekly event. Any small group must feed
into the mechanism. Perhaps big is not better. Yet in our culture we like
big, we are attracted to big and if Marshall McLuhan was right when he
coined the phrase "the medium is the message," (I saw how you
snuck that one in) then maybe here in North America big isn't necessarily
bad if we can figure out how to do what you were talking about with the
small as well. Finally, (you never knew I could be so verbose, or perhaps
you did and are just too kind) I think we get off track when we see church
as an end in itself. Our gifts and callings are not and should not be
thought of as exclusive to the church service. Which, by the way, in my
opinion not the church. It is when the church may meet or gather but it is
not even a good reflection of what we are. I agree that we are all priests
- but our priesthood is too often wasted on ourselves. Our thinking about
ministry is always wasted on ourselves. Unless we somehow have a ministry
to "the poor" or "to the prison." We have separated
the sacred and the secular. our gifts may be to become a great web site
builder and editor to reach a certain group of people or just build a
great site with the wisdom of God. Our gifts may be in raising two very
wonderful and beautiful girls who will in turn continue in the faith and
help build their part of the world on kingdom principles. We tend to think
that the kingdom is the church. The kingdom of God finds great expression
in Church. If we do our church meetings well it will usually be exclusive
to the kingdom but the kingdom does not limit itself to our gatherings and
our events. The priests of the kingdom must fulfill their priesthood in
this world. I sound preachy hear, I know. If we see our task in its
greater cultural context we will rethink our church meetings. Perhaps we
will do them differently, I'm not altogether sure about that.
Nevertheless, the church and our meetings has to begin to serve a higher
purpose and that purpose must determine what our meetings will look like.
Renewal is not an end to itself. Perhaps our meetings may need even more
control so that we can become effective in our real purpose of taking our
gifts and callings into this world and make a difference. Wow, just a few
thoughts. Forgive my rambling.
Greg Bitgood, Kelowna Christian Center
I found this article to be sort of
"silly", written by someone who may have an excellent experience
with this type of ministry in his local church, but who has little
understanding of what ministry obstacles pastors face in the
"average" church. This article also lacked enough practical
examples of what he was talking about in theory. I agree with the theory,
that each Christian should participate in the life of the church, and that
small groups are wonderful. (I'm in several, myself.) But I think this
author should read the Doug Murren article in this issue of next-wave. Did
you guys deliberately place such opposite articles side by side in the
same issue? (For example, Murren states that people need much time before
they'll get involved in their church. To "hand them a
tambourine" will only backfire!)
Dan Owen, Grace United Methodist Church
General Comments
I love the mag and need this kind of
feedback. We are church planters
in Miami, FL, swimming in a sea of multiculturalism. We need all the
good advice we can get and welcome any viewpoints on how to better
follow our call. Put me on your update list so I know when new
issue
comes out.
Steve Hord
I am interested in the shape of the
Chruch in 21st century. Keep me informed.
Rev. Krzysztof Wawrzeniuk, Pentacostal Church of Poland
I
found your web site listed in the November/December 1999 issue of
Children's Ministry. Your effort is wonderful; thanks for putting on the
web such thought-provoking, and encouraging, articles. Please add my
name to your list for updates.
Kathy Cheyne
St. Paul UMC
Muskogee, Oklahoma
Death of Superman
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I enjoyed your article on the death of
superman or the hero that was hired. I agree with the overall message of
article yet, I do what to say that Nicolations does not mean death to the
laity. We fall into dangerous territory making swiping remarks. All its
means is "followers of Nicolas" Whoever he may be! The laity or
simply put the people may have lost its place in the ministry of the
church but not it we can not conclude that from the word Nicolaitians in
the Revelation correspondence.
Michael Zita, Orkney Church of the
Nazarene
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